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Shadows and personas, taming your inner monster, entering into chaos to discover your monster so you can harness it
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May have been a monster originally, and then realised it was monstrous, and changed
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May have not been a monster, and had to developer it to protect from other monsters
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Finding balance is the important - too timid, monsters abuse you - too monstrous, no opportunities - balance takes time and diligence
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Lying / white lies / persona / society / honesty / makeup / cleaning / manners / virtues / success / faking / tradition
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Cleaning example
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Not cleaning your house at all
- You get sick and people think you are a slob
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Cleaning your house religiously
- You have no spare time and people can think you are weird
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Cleaning your house thoroughly only when others are around
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Could be considered lying/disingenuous is not your natural state / putting up a front / bravado example - could also circumvent / muddy the waters / for natural improvements
- However, if you are a mother with messy children, then this situation may be the best you can do, as the below example may not be possible
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Cleaning your house regularly to maintain health, and occasionally thoroughly to maintain aesthetics for others
- Seems the middle balance through the above
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Makeup example
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No makeup provides the confrontation to build natural beauty in health, fitness and character - traits that can exist over time
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However, aesthetic beauty diminishes over time - one may wish to use [feminine makeup, plastic surgery augmentations], [androgynous clothing], [male expensive watches, suits, cars, etc] to maintain their sexual marketplace value over time
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To find balance
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Makeup at the cost of developing natural beauty - is bravado and disingenuous
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No makeup or efforts to improve aesthetics (shaving, haircuts, good clothes) - may lose societal standing
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A mixture of aesthetics improvements and natural beauty/character improvements seems to be the middle ground
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Aesthetic improvements to haircuts/shaving to look like your better self
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Hygiene and character improvements to become a better self
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Roles example
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A home keeper housewife role may find a lot of meaning in maintaining aesthetics, as it is the role they have been assigned for their breadwinner - along with parenting if have children
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it seems Jordan’s thankfulness for makeup stems from this point
- If one is married, naturally, having an aesthetically pleasing home and wife even in old age is nice and perhaps reduces temptations to look elsewhere
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Bravado examples
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Taking a loan to buy a porsche to appear aesthetically successful/attractive/appealing even though it is a white lie perhaps
- May make it seem that success is only aesthetics, which is a very narcissistic way of seeing the world - Nicole Kidman’s “To Die For” can portray this delusion
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Bull example
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The spanish tradition of releasing a bull (a monster that represents chaos and destruction) to then tame by the human - can be of a lot of cultural significance - a right of passage for a man perhaps
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However, when the tradition is lost into a situation where the dragon is caged and thousands of humans are destroying it, and cheating it, it seems to lose its honourable qualities
- Especially when a man or men are destroyed by the monster/bull so the monster is just shot - this is embarrassing - the monster perhaps should be praised in admiration - although admiration is hard for cynics
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Destruction of building scene
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Similar to riots around the world
- The things the rioters dispise perhaps through resentful envy, are destroyed - rather than admired envy in the quest of a pursuit for accomplishment of an ideal
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Cynicism is related to success hierarchies
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when presented a success hierarchy, people may
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tear down the successful
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build their own alternative hierarchies - that may not be mapped to reality
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use envy to fuel inspiration to become better
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Anytime one admires or envies (? or resents ?), it is a positioning within a success hierarchy
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Approach anxiety / rejection / fear / risk assessment / conflation of risks/issues / experiments over experiences / experience to experiment to learnings to success / idling is failing and worse than rejection as no learning or opportunity for success