2018-03-24: 12 Rules for Life

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https://discuss.jordanbpeterson.community/t/jordan-b-peterson-12-rules-for-life/74

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  • Rule 1: Stand up straight with your shoulders back

    • Never be the person making a decision out of weakness

  • Rule 2: Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for

    • About: Chris

    • Journalling

  • Rule 3: Make friends with people who want the best for you

    • @JOHN can you copy that quote in here

    • Rasmunich

  • Rule 4: Compare yourself to who you were yesterday

    • Journalling

    • Lego towers for accomplished tasks to resemble the city you have built with your actions

      • Should you tear parts out when you did bad?

  • Rule 5: Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them

  • Rule 6: Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world

    • Which should be your main focus

    • Perfect order != perfect, without problems - it just means, ordered problems

      • In rule 12

        • Peterson and his wife would stop fighting in disorder, then have a break for a day and think what they did to contribute to the disorder

        • Dealing with Peterson’s daughter, they set aside time each day, to keep battling everything, not just having that one thing take everything down

    • How could I be the problem to my family, and the world?

    • Don’t preach what you can’t practice

      • Would be hypocritical for MLK to give marriage advice, but he didn’t, he gave race treatment advice

      • Communist leaders expect the world to be more selfless than they are

        • If they were, they probably wouldn’t be communists!

    • 80-20 rule

    • Prager U - Fix Yourself

      • There are things in our control, and there are things that are not

        • It is vital to figure out what is in which camp, and acting accordingly

          • Like relationships, oedipal mothers, tyrannical governments - trying to control people as chess pieces, rather than units of their OWN agency

        • Create a list of things you can change (well), and things you can’t change (well)

          • And optimise on delegation

          • Journaling as an accounting mechanism, of behaviour, emotions, and plans - and everyday thoughts and actions

            • Evernote

            • Day One

            • Just Press Record

    • If you don’t attend to your own issues, they will escalate, and you also risk projecting them as the world’s problems, rather than your own

      • Like people who don’t fix their housing/finance issues, so then need government housing/welfare

      • Like transgender activists, who are bitter repulsive people, who demand others date them otherwise they are transphobes

      • If you don’t sort yourself out, the world (your perspective of the world) is bound by own constraints

    • Complexes

  • Rule 7: Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)

    • The advice people offer, is what they used to get their results, and is also their justifications for their actions

      • So only take advice from people whose actions you wish to replicate

    • Assume yourself, and your peers, are doing the easiest action, rather than the most meaningful

    • If Rule 8 is your only meaning, then telling the nazi where the Jew is, you will be fine with, as you were truthful - is there a rule against this? As Rule 3 and Rule 2 could support this. In fact, none of the rules offer a counter to this - except perhaps Rule 9, in which the prisoner may know something you don’t.

      • Willing to oppress another in the name of your ideology. Placing the ideology above the needs of the person you are oppressing.

  • Rule 8: Tell the truth—or, at least, don’t lie

    • Relying on karma, can perpetuate the growth of evil, eventually good needs to conflict with evil to prevent it

      • Both good and evil will grow in isolation, there needs to be conflict

      • Avenge through karma can also make your shadow grow larger

      • So be good against evil, when it is something you can control…?

      • Can also tie into Rule 9. That you may not know more than other person. You could be the evil.

      • Being sincere is the only way to eliminate the shadow, even if it hurts you now (rule 7)

    • What if nazis were going to kill the jew hiding in your closet?

      • Lying gives them justification for killing you

      • Honesty gives them a reason to question their aims, even if you die

  • Rule 9: Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t

    • Even applies for you too

    • Modesty - the more I know, the more I don’t know

  • Rule 10: Be precise in your speech

  • Rule 11: Do not bother children when they are skateboarding

  • Rule 12: Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street - stop and smell the roses

    • About: Makhaila

    • About the journey not the destination

    • Work through things publicly (Rule 8) then others will help you work through them too!

      • Youtubers wrestle with things publicly, and that propels them to success

      • The youtubers that know the answers are blown out, as it turns out they never have the whole picture, and they refuse to grow!

  • Coda - The Pen of Light

  • Don’t follow stupid rules — this rule came from interviews